My satellite says it's time, so away we go! This meeting will now come to order. Please use ** if you wish to speak. u got lucky i went easy on yah ;-) Infractions will be punishable by pitchforking. ;) * Talyn_Aramil sits down ad tinkers with his sword * Rasconza takes a seat and gets his customary glass of wine. * Geirr burries his head in a bowl of popcorn. First up, I'd like to announce that Anton of KR has been decreed an Honorary Member of Draconia. He is to be treated as a full member within the guild in WoW. * Reuban nods * Geirr gives her the thumbs up Second, this is going to be a rather short meeting, because half of us don't feel very well. ;) * Reuban is afk. brb * Porthos-DE takes his seat in the back. First up for vote is the Rank Revision Proposal. The final version that we are voting on is the first post in the thread. I updated it as suggestions were made. * Talyn_Aramil thinks drinks fix everything *quietly passes around cups of hot tea then returns to her seat Everyone please go take a look at it right quick, and then I'll call the vote. * Geirr is already ready. * Korran waits patiently. All in favor of adopting this, please say aye. * Reuban goes to look Aye. Aye. aye * Porthos-DE differs his vote to Vorag aye aye aye Aye And w'ere going to pause a moment, because Her Grace Cambria is on her way. Aye *** Cambria (cambriaz@fecb4334.clvhoh.d75a346f.net.hmsk) has joined channel #de_hc * Geirr waves to Cammy. Greetings, Your Grace. We are voting on the rank change proposal. Please vote aye or nay. * Cambria wipes the orange juice off of her face. *tosses Her Grace a clean towel * Caithris chuckles. * Cambria wipes her face on her mail sleeve. * Caithris thinks that if Cambria was a guy, she'd hope she shaved. * Cambria obstain I obstain * Reuban nods to Cambria Motion passes, 8-0-1 Next up, the Knight Captain rank change proposal. HEre is the final version that we are voting on: A Knight Captain maintains a squadron of knights for defense of the city he or she is assigned to. They organize their squadrons in battle, expressed either in gaming or roleplaying. In times of peace, the knight captain organizes the peacekeeping force of their assigned city. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. aye aye Aye. aye Aye As I was the one to request the change I vote, AYE. * Geirr giggles under his breath. aye * Caithris throws little stars at the GC's. * Porthos-DE coughs aye Sorry, didn't mean to get that in your throat. Motion passes, 9-0. * Porthos-DE notes that its hard to share a vote Finally, we need to vote on the scout rule revisions. There are four of them, and they are the next to the last post in the thread. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. aye Aye. aye aye aye abstain (sp?) Aye * Caithris throws a little star at Eldahir, but realizes that he might be reading. The "rules" are common sense except for rule #4 ... so I vote Aye Motion passes, 9-0. And that's all I have! This can either be the shortest meeting in history, or we can discuss more stuff. *smiles contentedly* I'm fine with whatever, discussing or not. * Porthos-DE coughs "8-0-1" :D Right, thanks. Darn meds. I just wanted to say tks to everyone for Anton ** My pleasure. Your Grace Geirr? ** I still have time and my ribs can take a bit more...coudl be good for us to use this occation to talk about some issues. Um, What do you guys think about this ULGG forming for Guild Wars? done. ** Master Porthos, I'm going to skip you for just a moment, because His Majesty is answering His Grace Geirr. Your Majesty? (Just skip me completely. It can wait until we are adjourned) I think the alliance that is forming for Guildwars will in time be swallowed by the ULGD< or become another inactive alliance, that's just from first glance though, and would give them the benifit of seeing how they progress it does sound interesting though done ** Your Highness? I would suggest looking into it, and I am up to the task. There is no need to dismiss it completely, but considering that Guildwars will be one of our primary guilds, it can't hurt. From what I've heard, it is mainly an actual guild, not an alliance ... with around ten members, though I could be wrong. Does anyone have a website link? Finished. ** (if someone has the website, just go ahead and paste it in) Master Porthos? Well, since i have unofficially taken some of the reigns in terms of Guild Wars in Draconia, I would lke to look into this. However, this is the first I have heard of it. So if anyone has any information about this after the meeting please let me know. -done- ** I believe His Highness will be happy to share whatever information he has. Your Grace Reuban? I know,...everyone is tired of hearing this subject, but it is important to me. eeep sorry that was supposed to be a whisper As a lot of you know, I have just recently obtained another copy of D2, and EXP. And I would like to see that recruiting remain within this aspect of the guild for two reasons... *** Shadocat (Shadocat@20f1d869.ath.828b38f5.net.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC 1) There are still good and potential members of the Empire out there that play this game. And could also add to our activity perspective in many ways. ** 2) Although they may be recruited from this game, they may also play the new games to become our mainstay. -Done_ *nods in agreement with her Duke* Master Porthos? Just two quick things... I sympathize with the idea of keeping Diablo II going. I really do. But given my past experience in Draconia, we relied on it far too much in the past. ** ** This is the first time in three years that I've seen Draconia prepared for a new gaming future. We should allocate our resources there: for the future of the guild. Also (I'm gonna get pitchforked for this), the guy who was on Jeopardy for 3 months just lost. :D -done- * Caithris laughs. LOL ** *throws a live trout at the GC YI'm going to throw in a comment here and sya that I agree with Master Porthos. I have a suggestion, but I want to swap back to the other opinions. I'll take my turn just before His Grace Reuban speaks again. Your Imperial Majesty? We left the ULGD becasue Diablo was what they focused on, and im my opinion it is a dead game for the most part, yes I agree that people play it, as do I at times that is why we made it a grandfather game so we could still hold to your roots, but I agree with Porthos, in all things, it's evolve or die if we stick with Diablo, we will fall into the same hole that others have before, not that we can't not play it, but revruitng for it activly could be just as bad if they play one of the primary games or RP, that is the requirement for entrance, if they play D2 or D2X, that's cool too done ** Your Grace Eldahir? I agree with Talyn, Caithris and Talyn statements. Kyle Attern, knight of Drak Kalthorne, wishes it to be known that he supports his grace Reuban's statement. done. Amendment: Kyle: I think that there is still a good amount of members who play it, and I don't think it is change or die.. In my opinion it would take something alot bigger than a game change to bring DE down done. * Reuban nods * Geirr nods and laughs ** *smiles warmly to the support* ** I'm going to re-iterate what His Imperial Majesty said. There is a difference between actively recruiting and siply accepting those who wander in. I have no problem with accepting those who wander in, and I have no problem with our current members who play inviting someone who they think fits DE. I don't wish to see us spend time actively recruiting, however. I think our future needs to be our future, and our past needs to be remembered as just that..the past. Your Grace Reuban? * Kyle_Attren nods in agreement This should come as a shock,.....but I agree that we should look to new avenues to bring this guild into the future, even with the new games.... But,...it is that there could be even more done, by not just dropping a game that has brought DE to it's present state of greatness.... * Porthos-DE frowns and not only would we have the new games, but the other as well to bring in those who offer the guild both D2 and GW, as well as WoW. -Done- Your Grace Cambria? * Caithris readjusts the kitten that is falling down behind her shoulders. * Eldahir would like to offer a friendly tip to the typers: Have it pre-typed to reduce waiting time for us ;) I basically agree with Caithris on the D2 policy. I can't see us turning down any decent mamber who comes to us thru ANY game. * AmbrosiaNigh throws the kitty a minnow Aren't we a group of gamers in fact? What if we touch bases thru D2? What if someone comes via Final Fantasy for instance? Who cares if they like the general atmosphere and why would they REALLY want to be members if they didn't want more than the games themselves? * Reuban nods ** I think the "grandfather" status is basically saying we are honoring that game, we ARE moving on for ACTIVELY recruiting, but if we come upon someone is that considered "inactively" recruiting? I don't see a problem with that. ** oops done * Geirr smiles grrr Please, keep your comments to emotes if you do not have the floor. sorry Your Eminence * Vorag shifts in his seat. Master Porthos? * Peut points a finger at Lady Ambrosia, Well, to be honest, what I had to say has practically already been said. But... The people who make up the D2 part of DE need to remember that even if they don't have any tags or responsibilities of a high position, they themselves can act as recruiters. If they find someone whom they play with that would make a good Draconia, by all means sign them up. But as I said before, we can't afford to miss out on preparation for our new games; as I feel we may have already to some degree. Gotta be one step ahead of the game :D -done- ** * Kyle_Attren nods in agreement Your Grace Shadocat? His grace Reuban and others seem to feel that we are "Dropping" Diablo2. I feel that this is not true. The focus of the guild right now is indeed looking into new games. However It's the history of the guild that has kept a strong foundation. So I say no, we are not dropping D2. (did all that go or was it cut off?) got all i think thanks, done. Sir Korran? (that sounds too weird) * Korran smiles. Sir Peut would like to add something to the discussion, so I yeild the floor to him. * Talyn_Aramil coughs *Gramps* * Korran slaps Talyn_Aramil around a bit with a large trout * Caithris pokes both of them with her pitchfork. Well i must agree with Grace Shadocat, we are not dropping hte game entirely. I feel a big part of DE stil remains in the game. I do have to add that i feel having too many "active" games can go one of two ways in my mind. * Talyn_Aramil rubs his shoulder as his eyes turn crimson, then fades away with a smirk as he plots something It can either 1) go a very good way, we can get lots of activer recruits and have a strong guild and gaming base. Or it can 2) go spiraling downward becasue we do not have enough unity. Unity is important and having 5 people playing any given game is not good ofr our future. Im quite sure that most people aren't thinking about recruiting while they are gaming, its not quite natural to do so. And it is awkward to just randomly ask if they'd like to join a guild. ** So i feel that We (Draconia as a whole) must unity under one or two games, 3 at the most to keep our unity together. done *unite not unity done Well-said. Your Grace Cambria? ** Well I have to say this is another momentous occasion. * Porthos-DE prepares his drink to cheer *looks to Her Grace in curiosity* I agree with Captain Porthos * Geirr drinks to that! * Cambria winks. done * Porthos-DE drinks to that as well * AmbrosiaNigh raises her cup of tea also Well done on that topic at least * Caithris trots ot the forums, ever the mischevious one. * Talyn_Aramil takes a drink of something under his table and laughs and goes back to ploting done Master Porthos? Just a few quick things... First of all, to address Sir Peutazawa's concerns, Those concerns that you present were the reason the Primary and secondary game system was created. It was created to keep a strong focus on just a few games so that we wouldn't split ourselves apart. Now one last thing that Cammy kind of touched upon... We have all eleven HC members present and accounted for, correct? * Korran nods. Or atleast reps for all of em. *wonders if that is a record* THat is something good to see. And well worth celebrating -done- Aye, before anyone leaves, I'd like to thank everyone for coming. I was proud to see the entire HC represented this evening. ** * Porthos-DE takes a seat under the keg tap and turns it on. * Peut Raises his glass Your Grace Reuban, you have the floor! I for the moment only have this last question for the night... I'm proud as well to see it, my first HC meeting as Emperor and everone was here! * Caithris thinks they are probably waiting to throw pies at His Majesty. What of the members who are only able to play D2, are they elligable to be recruiters? * Talyn_Aramil makes a somewhat lewd gesture and blames it on the drink he has ** * AmbrosiaNigh shakes her head at the goings on as she scoots her chair closer to Reuban * Geirr wings a pie at His Imperial Majesty. I am willing to bet that a lot of you never even thought of that aspect. Anyone may recruit. We formed a specialized recruiting group because when anyone can do something, it doesn't get done at all. -Done- But the basic fact that anyone can recruit always has and always will remain. Indeed, it's come up several times. We did think of it. :) Just wanted to say that every single member of this guild is a recruiting tool. And what makes our guild strong is how well we use those tools. Its not if you are a scout, a Master Porthos? oops stupid enter key :D * Caithris smacks him with the pitchfork, then politely invites him to continue. umm moving on... * Talyn_Aramil dodges the pie somewhat, just enough to take some with his finger and eat it * Geirr thinks to himself "I'm a tool!" its not being a guardian, a scout, a duke, or a member of the Three that makes you a recruiting too. You already are one. Its how much you use it. And you are a tool. :D -done- * Caithris glares at the entire room. Anyone else have a statement? *smiles impishly but says nay a word* * Geirr dissolves into reality. Not that you want to hear :D *** Signoff: Geirr (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) * DraxKain is just glad to see DE is still heading in the right direction. * Caithris pokes Porthos with her pitchfork, barely missing several vital organs. * Vorag shifts quietly in his seat. * Eldahir knows DE survives all ... OK wise guys. ANyone have a statement about ths topic or other guild business? * Eldahir raises hand. * Korran reaches for his bag of gavels...but they aren't there...and he starts to panic. *ponders the door knowing how these meetings tend to end* I still feal my point has fallen on not only deaf ears, but as much so, non open minded individuals. But I appreciate your thoughts and allowing me my time. *Bows* I bid you all good eve. Not everyone can always agree your grace. This meeting isn't over yet. unless you have reason why you cannot remain, I would ask that you stay. ** your Graces, the floor is not open. When I asked for statements, I expected protocol. The ears are not deaf. It is important always to realize that because someone does not agree with you doesn't mean they don't hear what you are saying. Your Grace Eldahir? ** First of all, relax ... no need to jump on my case if u dont jump on other people for commenting, I simply wished to comment before he left and I apologize ofor that. Anyway, I am curious if DE has gained any ground on the external side of things. Meaning this is directed towards his Highness Rasconza ** Pkease indicate when you are done. I would like to make a statement, then I'll turn the floor over to him to answer your question. I know you are new on the position and I do not expect anything this early but Im just curious :) now im done :) *** Anaximand (eviltoilet@6ecc2367.housing.283791db.edu.hmsk) has joined channel #de_hc **? First, I've jumped on several people for commenting, and I stated clearly that we would be following protocol this evening. I would like to think that we are adult enough to moderate ourselves without my needing to moderate the channel. I will mod it if necessary. That is a statement, and it's not negotiable. ((Good too see everyone, but I must depart. Hope you all take care. Till a later time.)) (( Farewell for now. )) ** *** Signoff: DraxKain (Quit: DraxKain) ((i have permission)) Second, it doesn't bode well for a new High Council member to greet his peers in his first meeting with the insult of calling them close-minded. I would ask that we all reflect that we are hear for the betterment of Draconia, even if we don't agree. Your Highness? In response to His Grace Eldahir's question ... I have not done as much as I would have liked. I did contact Queen Cee, and we are organizing an event that will hopefully bring both of our members closer together, that the KR will host, so that perhaps some more Draconians will visit our allies. This is still in planning, and a date has not been set. As for Velasia, we all know that story. *winks* I know of a few other guilds, the Forgotten Order and the Defenders of Camelot, who are slightly inactive I believe, and I will be inquiring further, for I only posted an introduction of myself about a few weeks ago, before all of the elections. Other than that, nothing else to report, Your Grace Eldahir, I hope I answered your question. Finished. Your Grace Reuban? I wish to apologies for my behavior.... * Porthos-DE invites Reuban to take a keg stand it was indeed most unbecoming. And I should have used better judgement in choosing my words. I apologies to the council. -Done- * Caithris throws a handy tart at him, which is actually a friendly way of saying it'll be ok. Sir Kyle? I have a new topic * Talyn_Aramil makes shadow figures on the wall next to him....makes one and realizes what it was and quickly stops and laughs to himself I think gaurdians AND scouts should both be strickly prohibited from doing any kind of recruiting for their duchy. They are the ones that really can influence the squires the most and if they turned bais it could get dangerous. *** Signoff: AmbrosiaNigh (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) *** Hye (Hye@6ca5ec7e.14055a94.192.245.imsk) has joined channel #DE_HC *** Hye is now known as Arabella * Rasconza smiles in welcome to Arabella. and i wouldn't be saying this if i mean't it cause the SC and most of the ssouts are in my duchy * Talyn_Aramil waves to his sister and sticks his tounge out -done- ** Do** *** Arabella is now known as Visitor-2F168 Your Grace Eldahir? *** AmbrosiaNigh (JavaClient@ea0742fb.dsl.hstntx.f55b92fc.net.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC *** Signoff: Visitor-2F168 (Connection reset by peer) ** ** * AmbrosiaNigh curtsies in apology then returns to her chair *** Signoff: AmbrosiaNigh (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) I disagree about the scouts, yes they are in a position where they recruit members but in fact the ones that makes their "mark" on the squires are truly the Gaurdians and it is they that truly should think about how the project the different duchies. done. ((oops sry edit.. I wouldn't be saying this if i DIDN"T mean it lol sry)) ** *** AmbrosiaNigh (JavaClient@ea0742fb.dsl.hstntx.f55b92fc.net.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC Sir Anaximander? * AmbrosiaNigh growls to herself and tries again Porthos was first. *** Hye (Hye@6ca5ec7e.14055a94.192.245.imsk) has joined channel #DE_HC * Rasconza smiles and pats Ambriosa on the head. *** Hye is now known as ArabellaA No, you indicated first. I was just politely explaining when I messaged you back. :) However, if you wish to yield the floor, that's fine too. * Talyn_Aramil waves to his sis again and makes a face * Porthos-DE is confused * AmbrosiaNigh ponders goosing the Emperor with the Preator's pitch fork * Porthos-DE is also possibly drunk * Caithris sighs. Master Porthos? Alrighty! ** (again, was skipped after eldy 2 posts ago) * Kyle_Attren sits back in his chair (sorry...you'll be next then) I yield to Shadocat. I'll prepare while he speaks Your Grace Shadocat? I know the subject changed while I waited, but I still wish to ask this, Alright, Kyle while it is a pity it does happen, it will most likely continue to do so simply because a squire will want to join a duchy that they know people in aka their Guardian, I personally did that when I first became a knight. I also find it makes a guardian more zealous in his/her job then they are not overtly recruiting for their duchy but still doing non the less by accident or whatever. Its something that will never stop I would like to ask his Grace Reuban; What do you most want as an ideal outcome for Diablo2 support in Draconia? What do you see as your best-case scenario? done. * Talyn_Aramil glares at the baroness and makes a face and goes back to his glass Good questions. Back to Sir Anax now, then we'll give Master Porthos his turn. pretty much done....its just a practice that will always go on. * Porthos-DE nods * Caithris nods as well. Master Porthos? First of all, since I had no personal involvement with the Council during the inauguration of the Scouts, I would like to say this: I see no need for their organization, and I believe that if we keep it, it will cause only more negative speculation such as what Sir Kyle has brought up. Like I said before, we are all recruiting tools regardless of what rank or title we have. And how we use it is what determines the fate of our guild. Now, in response to Sir Kyle's statement... No matter how hard a Guardian (or a Scout for that matter) tries not to have an influence on a squire's selection of duchy, they will have some sort of influence on the squire. This is something we have to accept. ** And my personal feelings aside about the scouts, that is the way we do things, therefore when we instated the Scouts, that was a risk this guild took. -done- ** ** Your Grace Shadocat? In a way this may just be a rephrase of what her eminence said earlier, but here goes. . . . I have seen members who seemed pretty inactive until they were given a little responsibility, and suddenly they are amazingly hard workers. . I cannot explain it, but that is why the scouts are useful. done ** * Porthos-DE agrees * Cambria nods. Your Highness? * Kyle_Attren shrugs, partailly agreeing scouts, guardians and questmasters also prove as a training ground for those that look into other things such as leadership here, it gives them something to focus on and be apart of this guild on a greater level some people feel they need this, others do not, it's just a matter of personality, nothing wrong with it, and it's great to see people strive for things here Me or Talyn? opps... go on Your Highenss would be Rasconza. * Talyn_Aramil is too used to his old title * Caithris falls over laughing at His Majesty, who's forgotten who he is. Thought so ... I almost missed it though. *winks* Continuing ... * Peut thumps His Majesty over the head with the 12 lbs mud snapper. ** First of all, I agree with you Shadocat, but is that saying much of our members that they don't work hard as knights, but when given acknowledgement, work harder? Most of Draconia is knights, or at least should be. *** Vorag has left #de_hc ((not most, but some, or several. YES)) I also agree with Porthos, I don't see a need for the scouts. I believe my brother, with the bias issue, was referring to blatantly saying "Join my duchy" or something of the sort. The guardians have this rule, and I agree Sir Anax, that often squires do go where their guardians are. But the guardians have the law, then the scouts should, I believe. Can it truly hurt the scouts if they are not allowed to be bias? Those who recr influence, despite not being the actual teachers of squires ... especially when recruited personally by a scout. (cut off with recr) Where? The statement before your last one. ** *naps* Those who recruit have a lot of ... (( continued below the original starting with influence )) Thank you! Sorry 'bout that, I think I'm done now. Finished. Your Grace Eldahir? Im tired and my ribs hurt so I can not go on much longer but I wil lsay that ... hmm I would like to hear the ful lreasons of the scouts again. I could see a big reason for them before when DE were bleeding but right now WoW and GW will bring in many many many new potential knights. done. 88 (maybe this coudl be discussed in the hc chambers) ** I would like to see someone bring this up in the HC Chambers. His Grace or anyone else is welcome to start the discussion. * Kyle_Attren grins in approval Sir Peutazawa? (he's taking over as LL rep now) Thank you * Cambria nods really hard. I must disagree with Master Porthos and His Higness. * Porthos-DE raises his left eyebrow I feel taht the Scouts serve good in the empire, and i am not being bias because i am one. I know that before i wasn't dedicating much time to posting on forums and trying to gain some attetion to DE. I must ask, did any of you actually go out and dedicate time to recruting for DE? Did you go to other forums and post messages promoting our glorious guild? ** (again) (( Posted discussion topic. )) ** * Kyle_Attren nods Her Eminence asked i drop it, but may i now request permission to post in the HC quarters on the forums? Granted. then im done thanks Anyone else wishing to speak about the Scouts, please do so in the HC chambers. *sighs* I think that would be a more efficient place, as this discussion seems like it's rather a large split in our opinions right now. * Porthos-DE pouts * Porthos-DE also agrees * Talyn_Aramil takes a drink and goes back to creating lewd gestures * Talyn_Aramil and agrees Lady Ambrosia is given permission to post in the topic as well, as that's what she wished to speak about * Cambria nods. * Kyle_Attren agrees Now...I'm dumping the speaking queue, since it seems to have gotten out of whack anyway. Did anyone wish to speak about something other than the Scouts? ** * Talyn_Aramil raises his hand then forgets...goes back to his drink ((lol)) ME! Porthos...speak out loud man Can we just put any more topics in the HC boards pls? do it do it.. lol Protocol, people. * Rasconza glares at Talyn but can't help a smile, thinking about those silly drunks. * Porthos-DE waits patiently * Cambria looks thinking we were dumping protocol. * Eldahir thought so too We are running short on time. Master Porthos, plesae speak. After that, I am going to ask that anyone with a new topic, please take it to the forums/ * Cambria claps! * Porthos-DE notes I haven't been called upon * Rasconza didn't think anything, but agrees with everyone. No, I asked who wished to speak. That means use **, as I stated at the beginning of the meeting./ * Caithris points to her statement before last. * Talyn_Aramil states that he is not drunk...yet...so there * Porthos-DE notes he **ed before, but wasn't called upon * Rasconza taps him in the head. * AmbrosiaNigh glares at the inebriated individuals ** * Rasconza sighs inwardly. We are running short on time. Master Porthos, plesae speak Meeting adjourned. I said earlier that I was dumping queue. Please follow what I say next time. ((Well everyone it's been fun but I'm afraid that food is good so i'm going to go eat some. Farewell!)) oh hehe Nope, the meeting is now adjourned. Good night.