* Korran taps his gavel on the table in front of him begining the meeting. We begin tonight with an address from Her Majesty, the floor is yours. * Caithris stands and looks around, knowing that everyone is probably scared now. * Shadocat smirks * Allanon readies himself for a nap... * Geirr pokes Allanon. Good evening, all. I'm glad to see everyone here. It makes me feel like you're all interested in the goings-on. I just wanted to say... * Talzuz drinks some of Geirr's ale * Caithris picks up a gavel and throws it at Allanon. OW! That I'm proud to be here, and proud to be serving in this capacity. I'm proud of everyone on the High Council as well, and I look forward to working with you in the future. And I'm done! * Caithris sits back down. *** ErynVogle-W (JavaClient@14055b14.14055b11.217.26.imsk) has joined channel #de_hc * Allanon glares at the new arrival * Talzuz wonders how he got in Alrighty then. Since there was....oh look, fresh meat. * Euzeb simply laughs, thinking Eryn is getting himself in to trouble. * Caithris raises an eyebrow, and considers it otherwise not worth her attention since there is business to attend to. *** LadySerena (JavaClient@6ca5eca2.14055ab4.209.63.imsk) has joined channel #de_hc "Don't give me that look new Duke." * Geirr looks at Serena and points to the empty seat next to him. *** Signoff: SkyeD (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) ((guys, would love to play...but later, ok?)) * LadySerena takes the seat quietly as she realizes the room is FULL *** Signoff: ErynVogle-W (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) As I was saying, His Highness had a report slotted for the last meeting, which he could not attend, so if he still has it, he can give it now if he wishes. Your Highness? Thank you your eminence most of my report is what you will find in the HC forums, so I will make my talk short Over the past few weeks, I have tried to contact members of the ULGD, with very little feedback from them. My attepts at contact were either ignored, or brushed off. Only one guild in the alliance was interested in talking The Defenders of Camelot * Geirr drinks to the DoC! with my finding and the matter at hand of our position in the ULGD is that we are not making any progress forward with them, and that is holding us back from making what we can of ourselves. *** SkyeD (JavaClient@14055b14.14055b11.217.26.imsk) has joined channel #de_hc The aliance has many guilds that aren't even active, which concern me due to no one is activly wanting to do anything, and when the chance is made to do something, it falls to the wayside the idea of an alliance is to bring those in it together, the Aliance we are apart of is nothing but people wanting to hold onto a failing game, and the ideals it brought. Diablo 2 is a dieing game, it is bound to happen, it is the way of games to do such, but the ideals brought forth in legitimate gaming can still be used, I feel we should use the ideals that make us who we are to forge ahead and build a new alliance we need more active guilds around us, ones that strive for the same thing, not find a spot and sit there and watch the rest of the world go by....that casues decay within a guild, and many other things times have changed, and the ULGD have failed to, perhaps it is ourfault that we haven't tried? but why should we be the only ones to try?, that would mean we would be the only ones active in an alliance that houses many guilds, too much work for us when we have our own issues to work through I have had talks with many people, and they agree that part of the reason we were in this slup of inactivity is because we are part of an aliance that is nothing but a shadow to us * Talyn takes a breath ok done * Talyn sits down and grabs his drink ** Thank you, Your Highness. Grace Shadocat? *** Signoff: Euzeb (Quit: Trillian ((Link: http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)) *** Signoff by Euzeb detected I pretty much agree at this point. We're looking at replacing your primary games, and maybe grandfathering D2 in time. . . And well, Its like they arent even there. done. ** Your Majesty? I don't really believe this needs any further discussion, as Talyn's report has been up since before the Imperial election. I move that we vote to leave the ULGD. ~done~ second. Shall we vote? If no one else has anything to comment on, we shall vote. * Masamune has nothin' to say on it Alright then. All of those in favor of breaking from the ULGD respond aye, those not respond nay. aye. aye aye aye Aye. aye aye aye * Talzuz counts 2 periods Motion passes 8-0. * Korran throws a gavel at Talzuz. ** Your Majesty? Just an FYI for those who wonder what we'll do now... His Highness is preparing a document to outline the role we expect the druids to take in our proposed alliance setup. When it's done, it'll be presented and we'll vote on it. ~done~ Next on the list, Diablo 2's possible honorary/Grandfather status. ** Grace Shadocat? Sir Vorag stated that he would rather see that we have decided upon a replacement primary game, before deciding to grandfather D2. * Allanon nods to that. * Talzuz shakes head * Geirr nods. done. * Masamune follows the trend and nods aswell *** Signon by Euzeb (Euzeb!Euzeb@6a03b48.192-130-66.mc.40eae23.ca.hmsk, Mask: *!*@*) detected *** Euzeb (Euzeb@6a03b48.192-130-66.mc.40eae23.ca.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC ** Porthos? (go with me on this, it'll be a lil insightful) Thank you for the chance to speak. As most of you already know, I have been conducting a survey regarding primary games these past three days. And from the data that I have gathered from thirty four people already, I must humbly agree with His Grace Shadocat and Captain Vorag. Out of those thirty four people, there are only two that do not own the game. Out of those thirty four people, there are only four others that do not play it anymore. Now, I now that with these numbers on people, it is only half the guild. But I believe that this Council should know those numbers, in spite of the survey not being completed yet. Also, if you have not participated yet, please contact me privately here, or ICQ 42257251. Thank you * Porthos-DE bows -done- With valid concern for finding a new primary game(s) first, we'll skip down the list to doing just that. ** Judging from what I've seen on the forums, Guild Wars and WoW are by far the favored games mentioned for primaries. * Caithris waves her hands frantically. So, first thing off is do we have one or two primary games? Grace Shadocat? I believe that both Guild Wars AND WoW would be suitable as co-primary games. However I want to be sure we stress to people that we do NOT expect them to go purchase monthly WoW subscriptions, that it is totally optional. I bring this up because I do hear the concerns, and well I have no doubt about whats expected myself. I just want everyone to understand. *** Signoff: LadySerena (Ping timeout) done. ** Your Majesty? ** The point of this was merely to choose to adopt one or two games this evening. If we choose to adopt two games, then I'll go for a vote on them being GW and WoW. If we do not, then this is NOT the appropriate venue for discussion of which to adopt. That will be taken to the HC forums. ~done~ ** Sir Talzuz? Yes I just wanted to add something about WoW but since it would be off topic now Ill save ym thoughts for the poll *my Thats all Grace Shadocat? * Shadocat kicks himself back on topic. "Two games, then is my opinion would be best." :) done * Korran smiles. ** Grace Masamune? Thanks (Strange ain't it? I mean me saying something that it) Well for WoW, i'm not really for it myself. Pay-to-play? Nah. And as good as Guild Wars looks to be... We could really use a game now. Not something that comes around later this year. Supporting a game before it comes out... heh... Not really a good idea. Atleast not this far in advance. Guild Wars hasn't even left Alpha testing yet. So i'm not really up for either untill they have public Beta tests or when they get closer to release. done Ok, let's vote to see if we'll have 1 or 2 primary games, then we can discuss which those could possibly be? * Caithris nods. ** Sir Talzuz? I'd like to bring up the topic of game selection to fill the amount of primary games we decide on, I have an idea that could benefit our gaming structure after the vote but it will depend on what we vote on 2 or 1 primary game thats all thanks Or perhaps the forums, since we're gettin close to the half way point and have a few more things to discuss tonight? Sure thing your Emience *Eminence Thank you. :) ** All those i..Grace Allanon? Unless someone else has something to discuss i was just gonna suggest that we go ahead and vote for 1 or 2 primary games... maybe i should put that better.. * Allanon grins "I think that it would be in the best interest of the guild and its members to have 2 primary games. It would broaden our possibilities for squires and could bring our member base up! So I move to vote that we have 2 primary games! done * Caithris chuckles. As I was starting to say, hehe, All those in favor of having 2 primary games, please respond aye, those not respond nay. aye. aye aye Aye. aye aye aye. aye Motion passes 8 - 0 afk * Geirr refills his three mugs of ale. * Caithris gets up for a sandwich. * Geirr hands one to Talzuz. * Allanon grabs the gavel thrown at him by Caithris and throws it at Korran! * CambriaA slipps her mug under Geirr's tap. * Allanon motions Geirr for a drink. *** Eryn (JavaClient@14055b14.14055b11.217.26.imsk) has joined channel #de_hc * Geirr hands one to Allanon. * Talzuz taps Geirr on the shoulder * Talyn rolls his eyes and goes back to his wine * Talzuz taps Geirr on the shoulder again * Allanon glances at the new comer. Alrighty then, sorry bout that. * Geirr puts his mug down and wipes his mouth off. Alrighty, 2 primary games. Which are both filled at the moment. * Allanon starts to dose but catches himself before his head hits the back of his chair * Caithris reaches down and picks up another gavel, which she throws at Allanon. * Shadocat feels clammy and hopes its his fever broken. We're saving discussion for d2 until something else is highly considered to replace it, but we can talk about possibly moving NWN to secondary status. * Talyn catches the gavel and stick his tounge out at the empress * Allanon smiles at Talyn! * Korran says in a very monotone voice. "Anyone? Anyone?" ** Grace Allanon? Personally I'm not so sure about moving NWN to secondary status just yet. Truthfully I haven't had a chance to talk with my duchy about this, but in my opinion things should change when PD nears completion... If we could just get MORE INVOLVEMENT from the duchies such as having squire games, squad games and such moved into NWN Its almost as if we have all made a half-assed (pardon the language) attempt to even make it a group game ** We all were still kinda stuck on D2. Porthos didn't have much help with PD which is why its taking a while. If you take a chance to go in with him and see it, it is amazing and the possiblities are endless... ** Especially if we come into the type of alliance we are looking for in RP with other members and newer members in a world such as Temmerandil The possibilities of having "world wide" tourneys, faires, parties, duchy/guild meetings! It can be used for so much! I really don't think we have given it a full chance to stand up to its full potential... I say that we stick with it longer and actually show some effort to try and "move" then guild into a new "era" done Grace Shadocat? We've given NWN a lot of chances, and personally I could go either way with the decision to make it secondary. On one point, we can still promote a secondary game, just not recruit from it. . . . Also with the ULGD out of the way, there are new options. . . . The PoL, and namely one called Draconias happens to host several NWN servers, and I believe they discussed allowing some to be open to 'friends' Now many of us know that a done. got cut off at "us know that a..." * Geirr nods. Now many of us know that all we need is a good stable server to call home. . . so alliance options could be beneficial there. , and Squire Porthos informed me that Draconias is a member of DoC, but still hosts for PoL. done. Your Majesty? *** Talzuz is now known as Talzuz-AFK I have two concerns with keeping NWN as primary. The first is that it's at or over two years old now. I don't want one of primary recruiting venues to be that old, plain and simple. Two, finishing PD is all well and good, but who's going to host it? I was willing, until I found out how much bandwidth it'll suck down. ~done~ *** Signoff: Eryn (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) *** Hye (Hye@ab77e3d3.cc463ee0.net.hmsk) has joined channel #de_HC * Allanon looks around. * Caithris notes that she was the last person to have asked for the floor, and wonders if it's vote time. ((Sorry, talkin to a member bout a lil issue)) *** Talzuz-AFK is now known as Talzuz * Geirr chuckles I move to vote that we keep NWN as a primary game until we have such a chance to fully test the potential of PD and its impact on guild gaming. ((Your Highness, if you will take over till I'm done, please?)) not a prob ** Talzuz? Allanon why not jusst place it to a seperate division till PD is complete and when it is we gring it back. Maybe a custom name like Diablos possible Grandfather name could be in place done . ** second the vote motion, rather Alrighty the vote up is to keep NWN as a primary game until we have such a chance to fully test the potential of PD and its impact on guild gaming. aye or nay? nay nay nay Aye nay nay. aye abstain 5-2 loss, NWN is not a primary game anymore next topic? ** * Talyn smiles as he has no gavel, but has his shiny sword to swing Grace Shadocat? ** ** May we be clear that while NWN is no longer primary that It is officially secondary? done. Correct, NWN has been moved to Secondary status Grace Geirr? I would like to bring up a couple of issues that I thought were on the agenda for this evening. Certianly, go ahead The first one is the way in which our Member List is currently being updated and by whom. * Caithris calls a halt to proceedings, begging the pardon of both His Highness and His Eminence. His Grace Eldahir has been doing a mighty fine job of it lately but it is known that he is currently on vacation for the entire month of July. I am not done, but will halt. Thank you, Your Grace. ((and the answer is Kyndig is updating them)) ((:P)) * Talyn twrils his sword His Grace Allanon had indicated he wished the floor before the vote was taken. While I don't believe the vote will be affected, I'm inclined to say we should let him speak before continuing. If anyone wishes to move to re-vote afterward, they may. My apologies for interrupting the proceedings instead of asking this privately. After he is done, I would like the floor to return to His Grace Geirr. * Geirr nods Sorry about that Allanon, go ahead *** Euzeb2 (Euzeb@6a03b48.192-130-66.mc.40eae23.ca.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC *** Signoff: Euzeb (Ping timeout) *** Euzeb2 is now known as Euzeb *** Signon by Euzeb (Euzeb!Euzeb@6a03b48.192-130-66.mc.40eae23.ca.hmsk, Mask: *!*@*) detected I too doubt that what I say will affect the outcome of the vote since we all seem so keen on booting out a game that isn't at its full potential. I just wanted to respond to Talzuz's question about the status of NWN... Why fix something that isn't broken? We just caused more work for ourselves now that NWN is a secondary game. If in the future when Porthos finally has had a chance to do a full run through on PD we will have to all sit back do ** Just wanted to point that out. This council has always had a problem with fixing things that weren't broken, back into the days of Pyros' rule. Talzuz? Now it seems we have shunned the hard work of Porthos and the members of PD and have just pushed it all to the side since it is doubtful we would ever get around to pulling the great possibilties "out of the trash" so to say. where did it cut off at? ((we will have to all sit back do)) * Talyn lets allanon go ahead, asks Talzuz to wait. * Talzuz is aware we will have to all sit back down and rethink the options of primary games because we had moved past the point where we filled the spot for our 2 "new" primaries *** Shadocat-DE (Shadocat@fd9dab8e.ath.828b38f5.net.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC if that made sense done ok? * Shadocat-DE missed his post Sir Talzuz? Thank you first off... * Caithris updates Shadocat. I would like to point out that NWN is still a primary game and at anytime can immediatly be promoted back to a primary game even if we do have 2 primary games at the time. *** Signoff: Dreslan (Quit: Leaving) *** telsek (JavaClient@4479355c.balt.east.36f5c1fe.net.hmsk) has joined channel #de_hc *** Signoff: Shadocat (Ping timeout) ** *** Signoff by Shadocat detected Secondly I think we would have been better off promoting NWN to its own seperate status. Something where it can return to Primary status as soon as PD is complete Thats all for now . Grace Shadocat? *** Signoff: SkyeD (Quit: (Link: http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/)http://cookie.sorcery.net/~ircd_/javachat/) I believe that being secondary should not hinder NWN's potential for us. If it really is destined to be a great game for DE, then it WILL take off and when that day comes, I'll stand behind it. :) done. Agreed ((Skye wanted me to tell everyone bye for him. He leaves the sandbox in an hour and a half.)) ** I agree that NWN has it's potential, but we should see it as a primary game AFTER it has proved itself, hopeully with the project Draconia, once it proves itself, i'll stand behind it as well Grace Allanon? Just a quick note before we head back to Geirr who has been waiting so patiently... With NWN as a secondary game that means that we no longer recruit for it... that being stated... that kinda takes its potential because we won't get the chance to show the "world of NWN gamers" what we have created and have them start the line to sign up to join and help (especially those out there with lots of toolset experience) done We won't "Activly" recruit from it, we still can show others what we have to offer though * CambriaA Claps for Shado. dosen't mean we can't get a few people to join to help us out, but as of right now having NWN as a primary game hasn't done much for us. anyone else have something to say before we continue ? =) ** * Caithris shakes her head. * Geirr claps for Cammy clapping for Shadocat. * Caithris takes a very long drink of wine. Grace Shadocat? If we had PD up and running and was open to the public, and found some people who wanted to join, I would look really hard into seeing if they could join through the tendency to roleplay. done. Agreed, with RPing as a main thing, it would give the NWN people a primary "Game" to join under anyone else? ** Grace Geirr? May I resume where I left off or is there some action to take place still? go ahead Geirr, thanks for waiting =) Well, I actually have three technical things I wanted to discuss. The first one was the Member List updating issue, which I have been informed is being handled by Kyndig now, thankfully. I would like to see his name on top of the member as the current maintainer as well. Not a big problem. Just happy to see that it is covered. Second issue, is this thing on the forums called the Member area which can be accessed here... (Link: http://www.draconianempire.com/de/members/members_index.html)http://www.draconianempire.com/de/members/members_index.html What is this thing? Answer after I am done if you know. ** Third issue has to do with Tearstorm and him giving a bad password to His Grace Eldahir to maintain the Coastlands forums where they presently reside in order to load new images and skins and such. done. * Caithris gives Geirr the password, rather embarrassed at having forgotten. * Geirr smiles widely * Masamune never got the password on the issue with Tearstorm, I belive it's up to Tearstorm to do as he wishes, he owns the server, if I do see him though, I will be happy to talk to him about it. * Shadocat-DE points to his ** perhaps is just a missunderstanding and Tearsorm gave the wrong pass by accident Grace Shadocat? *** Shadocat-DE is now known as Shadocat * Geirr nods and hopes so. *** Signon by Shadocat (Shadocat!Shadocat@20e7d840.ath.828b38f5.net.hmsk, Mask: *!*@*) detected About the only thing accurate in the member's area is the game names and passes for DE members, or 'line 1' the squire games are changed, as well as the ulgd games, even though we just left them I dont know if Exaria's information is still correct or not. It probably is. done. anyone else? we should look into finding those available to keep our members area up to date, would that be worth looking into? * Geirr nods * Geirr didn't even know what it was. ** Grace Shadocat? * CambriaA covers her mouth with both hands. Last I heard, there was consideration to get rid of it completely. done. *** NeoAramil (neoness@efb74e42.7b2ccb44.net.hmsk) has joined channel #de_hc holy shnikies! aye, I remember that, we'll make it a topic of talk to either get rid of it, or have someone update it on a regualr basis, would that be ok? * Caithris nods. alrighty, it will be made such then =) your Majesty? * Talzuz begins to get scared as we are moving onto the second hour of the meeting Just one more topic of information only, and we'll adjourn. I am removing His Excellency Wulfgyr Lampetides from the Imperial Advisor position. He has been gone a very long time, and while I know the cause of it, I also know him well enough to know that he would not want to remain in a position for which he could not fulfill the duties. I haven't decided when or if the position will be filled again. And finally...thank you all for coming! ~done~ ** (wants to ask something real quick) Grace Masamune? Grace Masa? Thanks, I wanted to say that one of my members *coughscambriacoughs* would like to see a link for the Unnamed Tavern's java-client-thingy placed on the forums. ((back, btw, hehe, thanks Your Highness)) i'm done ((Ya missed it all, geeze, didn't even give me a gavel...ah well =P) * Geirr likes his cough. * Masamune grins * Korran throws a gavel at Talyn. I second the closing of the meeting, thank you all for coming. I'm glad to see to many members here ** * Talyn catches the Gavel, and spits his tounge out Grace Geirr? You're welcome! I would like to commend Her Imperial Majesty for re-opening the doors of the empire to new squires and for the handling of the duties of the Guardian Captain. done. *** Eryn_Vogle-W (Westmarch@6a03b48.192-130-66.mc.40eae23.ca.hmsk) has joined channel #DE_HC Thank you! * Allanon moves to speak with his brother * Korran smiles and taps his gavel on the table ending the meeting. Meeting adjourned. What is it... taking the devil by the Horn's ? * Euzeb chuckles. * Caithris chuckles. LOL * CambriaA waves hand. * Talyn smacks his newly aquired Gavel as well * Korran throws a gavel at Zeb. Thanks, I wanted to say that one of my members *coughscambriacoughs* would like to see a link for the Unnamed Tavern's java-client-thingy placed on the forums. Ouch ! so we can talk now? * Caithris puts her feet on the table and watches the commotion. By all means, talk away. ** I guess =P if you must lol * NeoAramil hates to be quiet greetings brother :) hey there =) WAIT!!! STOP!!! Awwwwwwww... happy to see each other again ? It has been what... 2 minutes ? * Allanon notices the visitor QUIET PLEASE!!! collaborate and listen My apologies to Rahama. I forgot to bring up something else. Oh... How unfortunate... somoen boot Eryn for that unneed cmoment *comment *unholds her breath* lol I love you Talzuz! *** Mode change "+m" for channel #de_hc by Caithris Hang on before y'all start talkin. * Korran slams his gavel on the table, breaking it into several pieces. *** Mode change "+v Eryn_Vogle-W" for channel #de_hc by Talyn There. *** Mode change "-m" for channel #de_hc by Korran *** Mode change "-v Eryn_Vogle-W" for channel #de_hc by Talyn what happened? NOW, meetin is adjourned.