* Korran picks up his meeting gavel and taps it on the table.
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<Korran> ((Zeb was in here twice, that's why the other was kicked, no one else is gettin kicked, trust me))
<Porthos-DE> three times, actually
<Korran> Alrighty then, we've got a good bit of ground to cover here, let's see what we can get done.
<Korran> First thing on the list was a Chancellor report, but seein as how His Highness is not here, we'll leave that one for later and go on to Finalize who can post where on the forums.
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> Basically all that I wanted to say is that if you don't all know what I wish to do regarding this topic, it is on the forums.  However, if anyone else has any disagreements, please speak your peace now.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
* Porthos-DE remembers something
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> YM?
<Porthos-DE> YM? hehe
<Korran> ((easier than typin out Your Majesty, hehe))
<Porthos-DE> Anyway, I just wanted to express my opinion that since nobody has any disagreements, I believe that we shoud all just agree to move forth without a vote and the Three themselves just keeping tabs on the forums like was said in my rationale for this topic.
<Caithris> ** 
<Porthos-DE> I don't see the need to waste time with a vote, but if someone else does then by means say so.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Grace Caithris?
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<Caithris> I don't disagree, and I'm not pushing for a vote.  *smiles* 
<Kalinrey> **
<Caithris> I just want to be clear on His Majesty's meaning, since it was mentioned that the Three will keep tabs on the forums.  Does that mean that visitors are allowed to post, or allowed to post if they are approved, or not allowed to post?  I did read the topic in the High Council chambers, but I'm not understanding if that is what His Majesty wishes to move forward with, or if we are staying with our current way of doing things, which doesn't allow visitors.  ~done~ 
* Porthos-DE wishes to point out that the last message got cut off.
<Caithris> ((ah, thank you.  Where did it cut off?)) 
<Kalinrey> things, which doesn't allow
<Porthos-DE> ((you want me to repeat it? :) ))
<Korran> (which doesn't allow)
<Caithris>  visitors.  ~done~  
* Porthos-DE chuckles
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> Grace Kalin?
<Kalinrey> I would also like a clarification in regards to how a non-member is to be granted this status and whether or not they can post there without the status... more
<Kalinrey> I also want to have something extra though. This list needs to be continually updated - more-
<Kalinrey> Should we do this on a weekly basis? bi-weekly? Should it be done on a per case basis? Before we adopt this I think we need to agree on a schedule
<Kalinrey> A minium shcedule
<Kalinrey> So that every 2 weeks at a minimum it is updated
<Kalinrey> Done
<Korran> Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> I can answer those questions.
<Porthos-DE> First of all, a non-member would be either granted or denied permission to speak by what they bring to Draconia.  If you look in the thread that contained the discussion, there are some examples there.
<Porthos-DE> As for the list being updated, my plan is to have the Three be the only ones to allow or disallow non members to post in the forums.  Therefore, once the grant or take away someone's right to post there, they should update the list immediatelty folloing that judgement.
<Caithris> ** 
<Porthos-DE> As for the list itself, I want it to be in the form of a sticky, locked forum thread.
<Porthos-DE> So I would think that it would be updated probably daily.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Is this what you're proposing we adopt then, Your Majesty?
* Kalinrey scratches his head still confused
<Porthos-DE> Just a change that we as the Three make.  Thats why I don't feel that this needs a vote.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> So the Three will compile a list of people who are allowed to post on the main forum, updated as they come or go, which all the Mods will be able to adhere to and know what to do on each case by case basis?
<Porthos-DE> Bascially, yes.  Unless someone sees it as a problem.
<Porthos-DE> Make no mistake...
* Korran nods.
<Kalinrey> **
<Porthos-DE> I am not trying to disallow anyone to post in our main forum.  However, there has to be a standard of some kind for visitiors to be held to some sort of respect of our guild, or else they can potentially abuse it.
<Porthos-DE> Then things like arguements will start from our guests... which should not happen.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
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<Korran> Grace Caithris?
<Caithris> Again, not disagreeing, just need clarification so nothing is moved when it shouldn't be.  Do we start assuming all visitors can post, or none?  Or I guess a better question is when will the list be posted?  ~done~ 
<Porthos-DE> May I?
* Korran nods.
<Porthos-DE> Basically, the list will be in a sticky thread.  And the way that I plan to run this is that each time we as the Three either accept or deny someone's permission to speak the thread will be modified to either add or remove that person from it.
<Porthos-DE> I can post the list after the meeting, if you wish.
<Porthos-DE> Does that answer your question?
* Caithris nods.
* Caithris would like to have the list posted ASAP, so there is as little confusion to visitors and members as possible.
<DraxKain> **
<Korran> Perhaps expanding this to include all the Mods to this group, or atleast allow their input as well, since some are around more than others to see who does what?
<Porthos-DE> May I, again?
<Korran> Please.
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<Talyn_Aramil> ((Sorry for being late, had a issue at work with a shoplifter, had to stay late))
<Porthos-DE> Like I said before.  I'm not trying to neglect anyone's right to speak.  And if a Global Mod other than Talyn, Korran or myself see the post first, then they can make a judgement call.  If they feel it is relevant to Draconia's well-being, they can leave it and inform the Three of a breach of protocol, or they can delete it if they feel that it isn't beneficial for the guild.
<Porthos-DE> Because if it is that beneficial to the guild, we as the Three can excuse the breach of protocol.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> So atleast the other Mods input will be heard and acknowledged in this system?
* Porthos-DE makes a note to use the -done- command sparingly
<Porthos-DE> May I a third time?
<Korran> Please.  :)
<Porthos-DE> Yes.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Porthos-DE> :)
* Korran nods.
<Korran> Grace Kalin?
<Kalinrey> Well honestly the "intent" and "what they bring to Draconia" Is all well and good, but this does not allow for visitors who for instance are not a rep or who like Anton no longer have a reason to be posting there according to what is set up, to prove that they should be there
<Kalinrey> To use anton as an example
<Porthos-DE> **
<Kalinrey> I welcome his mediation abilities
<Kalinrey> and I welcome his input
<Kalinrey> I think there should be a way for visitors to prove themselves
<Kalinrey> I also think that just random decisions that "because this person has pretty words they get to post here" Without actually seeing their posting style is an invitation for disaster
<Kalinrey> Done
<Korran> Lord Drax removed his **, Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> Kalin, feel free to answer these questions that I ask
<Porthos-DE> First of all, Anton is a druid, correct?
<Kalinrey> Yes
<Porthos-DE> And Druids, being the caretakers of the world Temmerandil have a large influence on our roleplay, correct?
<Kalinrey> *Sigh* Yes
<Porthos-DE> So quite frankly, why the hell would I disallow him to speak in our forums?
<Korran> *ahem*
<Porthos-DE> Becaue I have no reason to.
<Kalinrey> Watch the language there Porth. And as to Anton, Fine lets pick someone else like Pathegon from OWN
<Kalinrey> OWB*
<Kalinrey> who is not a druid but still has great views
<Porthos-DE> I apologize for the disrespect, but I am getting a little impatient with these discussions.
<Porthos-DE> Is the Order of the Wicked Blade a part of the ULGD alliance still?
<Kalinrey> Well frankly your Majesty if you cannot give respect in these meetings perhaps you shouldn't expect it yourself hmm?
<Kalinrey> Yes it is
<Korran> Ok fellas, curb the hostility here, it ain't gettin us anywhere.
<Porthos-DE> So why would I disallow a representative from our alliance to not post there?
<Porthos-DE> In fact, I specifically mentioned ambassadors in my posting about this topic.
<Porthos-DE> Again, I have no reason.
<Porthos-DE> So both Panthegon of the Order and Anton of the Druids would be allowed to speak.
<Kalinrey> My point in making that statement your Eminence is that If the Emperor did NOT wish discussion on this topic he should have made a decion himself without bringing it to the council
<Kalinrey> Fine I am done. Go with the topic I don't care anymore
<Madrak> **
<Porthos-DE> And my point is that I wanted this topic to be thoroughly discussed before I did make it a decree so that I know that I have your approval on it.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Perhaps we should make a post in the HC forum to continue the discussion?
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> Sir Madrak?
* Madrak rises and bows humbly before speaking.  "Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak.  If I may, Dragonspire does have architecture in it's forum in place where posting is only allowed by those with a valid account...is there not similar architecture available in the YaBB format?"  -Done-
<Korran> What we are discussing is which visitors should or should not be allowed to post on the main forum, Sir Madrak.  Not that everyone must have an account registered to post on the forums period.
<Korran> Though I believe you can make it so only people in certain groups could post in certain forums, though I do not know for sure.
<Madrak> That is my answer.  Many thanks, your Eminence.
* Korran nods.
<Korran> Your Majesty?
* Caithris taps Porthos gently with her pitchfork.
<Porthos-DE> First of all, I apologize again for the disrespect.  But put yourself in my situation.  This could be my last HC meeting.  And to be quite frank, I do not wish to discuss details of a topic I feel that I have already explained thoroughly.  I want to see progress, and not discussion.
<Porthos-DE> So I do not wish to see this held off.
<Kalinrey> **
<Porthos-DE> I want to see it resolved.  And I want to see it resolved now.  So if anyone wishes to call a vote, then do so.  If not, then let Korran, Talyn and myself do our jobs.  Again, I do not mean to disrespect the opinions of those in the council, but that is how i feel.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Grace Kalin?
<Kalinrey> yself do our jobs. Again, I do not mean to disrespect the opinions of those in the council, but that is how i feel.
<Kalinrey> hmm hang on
<Kalinrey> progress only comes through discussion and I am not trying to make things last longer just understood
<Kalinrey> There we go
<Kalinrey> As to the vote I call a vote on this
<Kalinrey> I want it properly documented
<Kalinrey> Done
* Caithris sighs and seconds even though she didn't object to a decree, just so that we can get on with it.
<Korran> Lemme make sure I get this right.  The Three will compile a list of visitors that have permission to post on the main forum, with input from the other Mods, which will be updated on a continual basis, based on case by case situations.  Am I hittin close to the mark here?
* DraxKain believes so.
* Caithris understands that as well.
* Grond nods
* Porthos-DE agrees
* Talyn_Aramil agrees as well
* Kalinrey pokes the Praetor nodding
<Korran> Ok then.
<Korran> All those in favor of stated above, please respond aye, those not respond nay.
<Porthos-DE> Aye
<Caithris> aye 
<DraxKain> Aye
<Talyn_Aramil> aye
<Korran> aye
<Grond> aye
* Kalinrey considers the situation... Is still not wholly clear but hopes he will be in time and adds his aye to the list
<Kalinrey> So Aye
<Korran> Motion passes 7-0
<Korran> Movin along then.
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<Korran> Gaming proposal, primary games.
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<Korran> Each of you are aware of this proposal?
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> I'll take this as a yes, alrighty then.  Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> I do not wish to halt the meeting, but I do not know which proposal this is.  If someone could provide me a link to it in discussion, I can look it over.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Ok, nevermind then, hehe.
<Porthos-DE> No, keep going.  This is my problem.
<Korran> Lemme find the link, if anyone has it readily just throw it up.
<Caithris> (Link: http://www.draconianempire.com/yabb/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=5931;start=msg53568#msg53568)http://www.draconianempire.com/yabb/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=5931;start=msg53568#msg53568 
<Caithris> ((assuming that's the one)) 
<Korran> That the correct link Your Highness?
<Talyn_Aramil> correct
* Korran nods.
<Kalinrey> **
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> Grace Kalin?
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<Caithris> ** 
<Kalinrey> With regards to the gaming proposal I REALLY Like Grace Caithris's ideas. I think giving Diablo 2 a special Grandfathered status a wonderful idea. :)
<Kalinrey> if we are to change our focus then it should be a guild wide vote after the HC narrows down the list of possibilities in my opinion
<Kalinrey> So lets say we narrow it to Guild wars and WOW
<Kalinrey> then a vote on which to adopt as primary
<Kalinrey> or whether to adopt both
<Kalinrey> Done
<Kalinrey> ((more games would be better, say like 5 of them instead of 2))
<Kalinrey> ((then let the guild choose between em, ok now I am done really))
<Korran> Grace Caithris?  (since she has a lil clarification on how she proposed the topic to be discussed and voted on)
* Porthos-DE nods
<Caithris> I just wanted to state a couple of things.  First, as far as I'm concerned, this can be voted piecemeal, so we can adopt specific parts instead of the whole thing.  I think that's a more efficient way of handling things.  Second, I don't think we are ready to vote on a particular game as primary tonight, and didn't intend that. ~done~ 
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<Korran> Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> Poor Euzeb.
<Porthos-DE> Anyway...
<Porthos-DE> I am not sure if I would like to see this done tonight fully.
<Porthos-DE> Because there are a few parts of it that I am not sure I agree with yet.
<Porthos-DE> For instance, this "Grandfather Status"
<Porthos-DE> I can understand what that means, but what exactly is the difference between it and Secondary or Primary Games?  Which takes precident?
<Caithris> ** 
<Korran> Answer away, Your Grace.
<Caithris> Well, I'm actually going to propose that we move this into the HC chamber, where I can clarify to everyone's content.  Then we can attack something else this evening. 
<Caithris> ~done~ 
<Porthos-DE> I agree with that.
* Grond nods in agreement
* DraxKain has no objection to that.
<Porthos-DE> Because make no mistake, there are many parts that I like.  But there are some that I am not sure upon yet.
<Porthos-DE> And as for what games we plan to choose, like His Grace Kalin touched upon, I feel that is a completely different issue, and we are nowhere near ready for taking that step yet.
* Kalinrey nods not wishing any more "discussion right now"
<Korran> Alrighty then, we'll move this to the HC forum and discuss it there.
<Porthos-DE> I think I have made my point across.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Now along with this there is something Sir Rahama and myself were discussing earlier, that could possibly aid us in finding a few games.
<Korran> I'll throw it up now, and y'all can decide if we even put it up for discussion.
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* Caithris hopes Korran doesn't throw up.
<Porthos-DE> **
<Porthos-DE> ahh never mind
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<Korran> What we were discussing was the possibility of forming a Gaming Commetiee.  Basically get a few members that are willing to go out and buy a few games that would fit in with our guild, try em out and then write up a good review of them and post it up for the guild to look over and see if there is a possibility for adopting them.
<Korran> Now this is totally voluntary.
<Korran> What y'all think?
<Porthos-DE> **
<Rahama> **
<Rahama> ((if permitted))
* Kalinrey nods giving his brother permission to speak
<Korran> Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> Again, touching the topic of future games,
<Porthos-DE> I think we should get to narrowing it down to just one or two of these potential candidates.  One, it will make our final choice easier.  And two, it will cost these volunteers less money to spend.
<Porthos-DE> And also there are things to consider like beta tests.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Sir Rahama?
<Rahama> Ok it feels weird to stand out on this floor again but here goes.
<Rahama> basically this squad would be more beta/free game orientated then anything else it would give people a good chance to try something new rich or not
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*** Users on #DE_HC: CaithrisH Euzeb @Talyn_Aramil Allanon Rahama Grond Caithris Kalinrey SerenaReynard Madrak @Porthos-DE DraxKain @Korran 
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<SerenaReynard> wb Your Grace *smiles*
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<Caithris> ((thanks!)) 
<Korran> So is this possible for discussion on the forum or not?
<Talyn_Aramil> **
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Session Start (iuturna.sorcery.net:#de_hc): Wed Jun 23 19:48:00 2004
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<Talyn_Aramil> it would allow everyone to see what progress is made, and what games are being researched. We could ask questions of those testing as well.
<Talyn_Aramil> done
<Korran> It's basically like havin our own personal game testin team.
<Korran> Q&A, screen shots, this and that.
<Korran> Sir Rahama?
<Rahama> basically yes but I was also thinking that wiether or not this is in favor I was going to try and get a free game of Wolfenstien enemey teritory started next week with this plan and see if the interest is even there
<Rahama> then maybe we can vote with that in mind.  done
<Korran> So, is this a possibility that we can discuss?
<Korran> (on the forum mind you, not here now, hehe)
* DraxKain thinks so.
<Korran> Either this is a good silence, or a bad one....*needs to know which one it is before he gets with Rahama and irons out somethin to put up*
* Talyn_Aramil pokes Korran....I think it's a good one
* Kalinrey nods to his friend that it is a good silence
* Caithris wishes to remind His Eminence that any council member can bring any proposal before the High Council in the forums.  The approval of the High Council is not necessary.
* Korran knows that, but WANTED it anyway since we were here*
* Porthos-DE notes that married people fight too much
<Korran> Ok, Rahama and myself will talk bout it and get somethin up very soon.
* Grond smiles in agreement
<Porthos-DE> I say go for it.  Like any of us are going to dispute a good idea.
* Talyn_Aramil laughs and agrees
* Porthos-DE realizes he is out of turn
* Madrak notes that single people push too much.  :P
<Madrak> ((Sorry...had to.  :)  ))
<Korran> Moooovin on then.
* Euzeb has to go for now. It's La Saint-Jean Baptiste ! Wohoo !!
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<SerenaReynard> bye bye Euzeb *huggles * have fun
<Korran> ((take care buddy))
<Korran> Adoption of leaders for our RP and Gamin issues would be next.
* Caithris waves goodbye to Zeb and pulls out a peacock feather, tickling her nose with it.
* Porthos-DE wonders if that is similar to Martan St. Louis, but realizes that one is a holiday and one is a hockey player.
* Korran slaps Porth in the back of the head with a gavel.
<Korran> Like I said, Adoption of leaders for our RP and Gaming issues.
<Kalinrey> **
<Korran> We still have a few minutes left folks, hehe, SPEAK!!
* DraxKain is unsure what exactly this refers to.
<Korran> Grace Kalin? :)
<Kalinrey> I think it is a good idea to have representation for each of these. For instance a druid representation for RP and a QM for Gaming, but without any votes. I feel that Votes from these parties would muddy the waters.
<Porthos-DE> **
<Kalinrey> That being said we already have the necessary positions
<Kalinrey> and I feel that we do not need to add more
<Kalinrey> These should be seen as more of an advisory role. They can make comments in the HC and their voices will be respected and heard
<Kalinrey> but they should not have an HC vote
<Kalinrey> Thank you I am done
* Korran nods.
<Madrak> **
<Korran> Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> I agree completely with His Grace Kalin.
<Porthos-DE> We could easily use the Archdruid and QM Captains in those roles.
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Caithris> ** 
<Korran> Sir Madrak?
* Madrak withdraws.
<Korran> Ok.
<Korran> Grace Caithris?
<Talyn_Aramil> **
<Caithris> Your Majesty, are you truly comfortable with a non-Draconian Archdruid speaking in our HC Chambers? ~done~ 
<Porthos-DE> May I?
<Korran> Please.
<Porthos-DE> I was under the impression that the Archdruid of Draconia was indeed a member of DE....
<Porthos-DE> Wait a second...
<Porthos-DE> Is this what was meant when Druidic Circles were discussed about?
<Porthos-DE> Anyway, I am confused.
<Porthos-DE> I thought the Archdruid of Draconia was always a member of the Empire.
<Kalinrey> **
<Porthos-DE> -done-
* Caithris slips Porthos a link to clarify the Archdruid bit.
<Korran> At the moment there is only 1 Archdruid, period.  The Archdruid is, if I'm not mistaken, the Archdruid of THE Druids currently.
<Korran> Yea, I'm right.
<Korran> There is no such thing as "Archdruid of Draconia" anymore.
* Caithris chuckles and strokes her cheek with her peacock feather.
<Korran> It's just Archdruid of the Druidic Order.
* Porthos-DE nods and notes to investigate this issue further.
<Korran> Which the actual person is a member of DE, it's not any kind, sort, shape or form of rank in DE.
* Caithris shakes her head.
<Korran> He could be any Druid period, doesn't have to be a Draconian.
* Caithris nods.
* Kalinrey nods
* Porthos-DE grabs his stomach and runs out of the chamber.
<Porthos-DE> ((brb))
<Korran> Splain better Cait.
* DraxKain believes Her Grace just got mass messaged by the HC.
<Talyn_Aramil> I like the idea of using the exsisting positions, but if we do, we will need something in writing telling everyone what their jobs are. I do not like though however, that a non DE member would carry some power in our guild. Then again, the druids themselves carry quite a bit here, member of DE or not.
<Caithris> OK.  The Archdruid was in times past the head of the Draconian Circle of druids.  That meant his or her attention was devoted to representing and guiding roleplaying in Draconia.  The Druidic Circles, which were more or less one per guild, were collapsed several years ago due to declining activity.  Father Seth has retained High Council voice as the last Archdruid. 
* Kalinrey smacks the chancellor for speaking out of turn
<Korran> ((that's my job))
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<Caithris> However, the Archdruid is not a Draconian position, nor is it designed specifically to guide and represent roleplaying in Draconia.  Any druid may hold it, including a non-Draconian. 
<Kalinrey> ((sorry needed to let off some steam))
<Caithris> *more* 
* Korran tosses Kalin a chew toy.
<Caithris> The Archdruid currently is in charge of overseeing acolyte training, in a nutshell.  As you can see, this is not at all a political position anymore.  Therefore, if we wish HC representation for roleplaying, it must be chosen differently.  ~done, and hopes that helped~ 
<Madrak> **
<Korran> Grace Kalin?
<Kalinrey> Thank you
<Korran> ((thank you Grace Cait, that was most helpful))
<Kalinrey> Alright. In regards to the ArchDruid, as it is not necesarrily a member of Draconia, I feel that the position of representing the RP should be assigned to someone who is a druid and a member of DE. The most practical to chose would be Talion as he is the Patriarch of the Order and a member of DE :) That way it is NO LONGER that the Archdruid represents RP but that a Druid who is a member of DE does :) Also I would like to
* Porthos-DE has returned
<Kalinrey> take this opportunity to have My Sister come up and present an idea that she has that I feel she can present better than I
<Kalinrey> Leaves the podium for his sister
<SerenaReynard> There has been much discussion on the forums about voting for a new Arch Druid since Father Seth has been gone so long. This is not a Draconian position and has always been a positon appointed by the Patriarch. Now many have stated worries about the a druid represenetive not of Draconia and what I have to say to that is this. What does that tell our allies when we do not wish to trust a druid of their guild to give wisdom to our coun
<SerenaReynard> If they were not our allies they would not be part of the order to begin with. Also if we are unwilling to listen to such wisdom what is the point of having a whole world to rp in?
<Grond> (( gotta run for a bit, kids are having a domestic dispute. need to go referee, Sir Madrak will act of e me untill I get back))
* Porthos-DE notes that the first post was cut off
<SerenaReynard> Thank thee Your Imperial Majesty
<SerenaReynard> to give wisdom to our council and mediate in disputes since that is the whole point of being a druid besides history ((please read what it means to be a druid))
<Caithris> **' 
<SerenaReynard> I fear that such limits upon who may be in an HC meeting with the right ranks due to what guild they are in could cause hostility and see no reason that any Patriarch or Arch Druid of the order regardless of guild speak here since the are only giving advice and hold no vote to begin with
<SerenaReynard> Thank ye all for thine time *done*
<SerenaReynard> ((that was not cut off forget the period sorry))
<Korran> Grace Caithris?
<Madrak> Excuse me, your Eminence.
<Caithris> This needs to be moved to the forums.  With all due respect to my council members, that is why we have them.  Continuing to discuss things that could be given much more time and thought in the forums is slowing us down and making us less efficient.  ~done~ 
* Porthos-DE agrees
<Korran> ((sorry Mad, go ahead.  :( ))
<Madrak> Thank you once again.  Perhaps we could request of the Druids a representative be appointed as the official go-between for the Order and Draconia?  Someone different from the Archdruid and Patriarch, who is a Draconian member?  -done-
<Madrak> Wait, not done.
<Madrak> I stand with her Grace.  This needs to be discussed further.  Thank you, I am done now.
<Korran> Alrighty then, we'll move this to the forums.
* Korran looks at his waterclock again.
<Porthos-DE> **
<Korran> Your Majesty?
<Porthos-DE> First of all, I move to adjourn.
<Porthos-DE> But I have something to say before we do that.
* Korran raises his gavel, then lowers it again.
<Porthos-DE> Now, this goes further than this one meeting that we have had.
<Porthos-DE> But I just wanted to say that if I have come off as a slave driver in both these meeting and on the forums, I apologize.
*** Signoff: Borwin (Quit: Leaving)
<Porthos-DE> Because like I said before, this could very well be my last Council meeting that I can attend and make a difference.
<Porthos-DE> I just wanted to let you all know that it has been a pleasure working with all of you, even if I have not acted like it in the past.
<SerenaReynard> **
<Porthos-DE> -done-
<Korran> Lady Serena?
<SerenaReynard> I only wish to make this statement so that others will understand me. As far as this may being His Imperial Majesties last HC meeting it gave him no right to act as he did in being disrespectful. Lead by example. And if it is then it is only because he has not met others expectations whether that be good or bad
* Caithris tickles her nose with one of the peacock feathers again.
<SerenaReynard> Secondly I am withdrawing myself as representitive from here on out for the LL because I feel that some here do not disdain my presence if not just do not appreciate my help
<SerenaReynard> My only wish this whole time was to help and serve  ... I sought no rank, no favors, nor have I delt politically but have always voiced my heart and my conscience
<SerenaReynard> With that I will leave these council chambers to never again grace their path
<SerenaReynard> Thank you and good night *done*
<DraxKain> I second his Majesty's movrment to adjourn. (( got to run ))
<Madrak> I second the...I was just going to say that.
<Korran> Agreed.
* Korran taps his gavel on the table.